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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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ChrisH wrote:

The best thing Hyperion/etc could do is keep users informed about when & why a project is suddenly taking a lot longer than expected. No need to go into great detail, just a sentence or two to explain the basic issue. Even if it was just "we underestimated the complexity of the project, so it is taking longer than expected".


That is, unfortunately, not always possible.

We need to be highly adaptive, or we would have gone under already.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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Antique wrote:
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Is it you and your brother who is working on the netbook alone?


No.

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or are there other people working on that project


Yes.

(sorry, Kosh answer I know :) )

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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vox wrote:
Seems that slowness of progress is what hurt.


Why, actually? Between 1994 and 2001 there was virtually nothing happening in terms of hardware, and only 3.5 as a milestone. Your Amiga will not suddenly stop doing what it is doing now just because something takes longer.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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ChrisH wrote:
OTOH, I'm not sure if a low-powered Netbook would be powerful enough to run a (finished optimised version of) Timberwolf.


Something like Timberwolf is essential for a netbook IMO. We'll make an effort to have it run decently on that hardware. But we still need some more infrastructure in the OS for that, and we're building towards it.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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corto wrote:

True. Having LibreOffice would be great, I think nobody thinks it's a bad thing. But it normal to have doubts when such a project is announced, even more knowing history.


I got a different impression, at least two complained about "not wanting it" and "bloated piece of xxx".

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Some people can think effort would be spent elsewhere.


Like where? There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding what can and cannot be done. EVERYBODY has been yelling for productivity apps constantly. Yet, when you say "we're doing it", then someone else comes up and says the effort would be better spent elsewhere.

The problem is, however, you have to start somewhere. What is being prioritized is a matter of circumstances and capacity.

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Having ported dmake and provided some support with the author of OOLight, I know that it's not easy : huge project, old and complicated build system (for me), ... and I had problems that could be related to the shell (handling environment variables). Maybe I could share more if needed.
Anyway, at least working on such a project will help to improve the OS.


Feel free to contact me about this issue. IIRC, the man behind the OOLight port didn't have any prior Amiga experience, that might just have been too much of a first project.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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I am not doubting that there is interest, quite the contrary. I am just trying to say you shouldn't think it will magically attract thousands of new users.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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Mikey_C wrote:
@Rogue

I for one welcome the news of Libre office and any other bit of software for AmigaOS.

Everyone's a critic - trust me


Yeah, I know.. it's not like there aren't things that I would have rather seen done differently.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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Troels wrote:
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I don't see any ANY whining in Solie's AW thread.
I don't see any clear answers yet either.


I admit I expected worse from aw.net, but I haven't read it in ages and it might be that the general climate improved a bit.

Giving clear answers isn't easy. Remember that neither Steven nor myself are anything but developers. If it were up to us, we'd be talking about every little detail, but we're not the marketing guys and there are reasons why companies chose to announce things as they are. We don't have much control over that.

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Regarding Libreoffice that's great news, I use it regularly on PC (quite powerful one) and it would be great for future Amigas as well (X1000 and up).

Does anyone know who is doing the actual porting?


I know, but since I don't know whether the person wants to be named, I shall not say either.

Plainly, I have yet to see any reason why LibreOffice on the Amiga is a bad thing, and I applaud the effort - that won't be an easy project.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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Mikey_C wrote:
I must say how disappointed I feel at the lack of news regarding the Netbook.

We need to get more people back into the AmigaOS platform and at the projected price, the Amiga Netbook would bring people back.

Sadly, it seems that there either isn't the will or most likely, the finance to bring the project to fruition.


I wish the netbook project was further advanced as it is right now, but you are putting too much hope into that. I personally don't think that a netbook will be able to draw a lot of people back into the Amiga market.

In any case, though, you shouldn't make assumptions about the reasons for delays. They might be different from what you think, and this way, you will only start more rumors.

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ssolie wrote:
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I'll try and handle the usual barrage of questions. I just posted on aw first because that is where a majority of the more colourful rumours are starting from.

I'm travelling today so I will check in when I can.


In that case, you should have started it on MooBunny, that's where the real colorful stuff comes from.

But let's face it. No matter what is said or not said on the show (or any show for the matter), there is always people going to be disappointed. Look at the reactions to Warp3D ("Gallium is doomed, then...!") or LibreOffice ("Bloated piece of ***"). It seems to me that whatever is said, people will find a reason to pick on it, and I really don't understand it.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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number6 wrote:
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I strongly recommend you make use of the thread created by Steven for AmiWest news clarification.


Why? 90% of it is the usual whining.

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Re: AmiWest 2012 News?
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Since it came up elsewhere, I would ask anybody not to make any assumptions about the state of Gallium3D. These announcements don't say anything about Gallium, and whatever you think personally is just speculation.

Some things will become obvious later.

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Also I don't want a monster like this requiring Java. Also OOoLight is LGPL too so it could even be released with the OS.


Then don't use it. Problem solved. What are you complaining about?

And...

a) LibreOffice does not require Java. It needs Java for certain things like the database.

b) I wish we had Java, at least we had access to a good number of productivity software that is no missing.

c) It's not your frigging money on the line here, so what exactly are you complaining about?

d) Have you actually looked at any of the offerings? Maybe there is a specific reason for picking LibreOffice?

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As a side note, I think many people choose "Libre"Office because of its "Libre" name wheras Apache OpenOffice (its new name) is under the Apache license like Apache and many other tools. So it's not less "libre" at all and it may be better guarantee for quality


As a side note, you are wrong. A lot of people chose "Libre"office because OpenOffice was on hiatus for over two years while LibreOffice was still being developed. You hidden statement that LibreOffice might be of less quality than OpenOffice is not only ridiculous, but also insulting.

I am sorry, but if you have nothing better to do than piss on an honest and productive effort, you should maybe just abstain from commenting.

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OpenOffice struggles on my work mac mini with dualcore 2.5Ghz and 4GB of RAM. It's just a bloated load of ..... IMO.


... and the same to for you. Bloated load of...? What are you talking about?

It's quite easy. Don't like it, don't use it.

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Re: Torque for OS4 progress
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afxgroup wrote:
ut today 20fps for a modern game are really few. so 1-2 fps, 7 or 20 is the same.


Can you get away from your hypothetical number quoting? I have no idea where you get those from.

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afxgroup wrote:
All these engines are unuseful right now because you will play everything at 1-2fps.. so forget them..


Even software-only gallium runs faster than that on an X1000 already, including debug output.

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Re: Timberwolf RC2 available
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m3x wrote:
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The problem is the 460 AMC CPU

Care to explain ?


It's not the CPU itself, but the fact that the code was optimized/compiled for a 7400 class CPU, i.e. it uses instructions that might not be available on other CPU's.

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Re: Timberwolf RC2 available
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samo79 wrote:
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A bit OT, any news about a standalone SDK plugin ?
A week ago Thomas answering afxgroup said he wanted to release it along with RC2

When availible maybe afxgroup can start to compile his first plugin for Gnash, then we can test it aswell


As I said, right now, nothing is going to happen for a few days. We'll let you all know when there is something new to report.

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About RC3: I'm afraid to say that RC3 is going to be delayed for like, two or three weeks. Sorry about that, there's "good" reason for it.

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328gts wrote:
just thinking that most (if not all) of these RC2 glitches could have been picked up by the many beta testers running all different hardware setups for OS4.1 before release so just wondering why the bros didn't go to them first ?


That's like betatesting a beta test version. Whether we release it to our beta testers first (which don't really have anything to do with the project) or to the general public for testing doesn't make much of a difference.

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Re: Timberwolf RC1 available
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vox wrote:
Congrats on getting FF nearly done (RC2 soon) and hope there will be final soon. Will it be optimized for SAM 460?
Also, closing bounty has made a rumor mill that final Timberwolf will be a paid version, which is contrary to bounty, so please confirm publicly its free


Hopefully RC2 will come out later this week, followed by a final version if no other major issues arise.

Timberwolf will not be a paid program, it will always be free. Anyone claiming otherwise is wrong. I am not even sure it would be possible at all to sell it, but even if, it's not going to happen.

I wonder how people come up with ideas like that, but I guess it's just an attempt to water down any news related to other camps.

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