Hi,

@Orgin

sorry- i have missunderstand this.
I thinked he his angry his work is burnt in the new icon system
as his past work for PNG in the OS4 icon system.

@klesterjr

you have done a great GFX job and sorry too,for my missunderstand.
But i was never a friend of PNG icons [normal or Dual] on
my REAL Amiga, it is to much slowing down the system, even
on 060/66 and CV64 ....
So it was/is only for WinUAE and MOS user a good source.

I like parts of your Icons more as Masons and turned around ;)


@xenic

I think the best way icons drawing is in an paint prg, all
prg. i have seen this on k1.3-3.9 was more or less trash ...

Best use PPaint for 8Bit icons [i use this].
24bit Icons i have never drawn [have no OS4] but i would
prefer TVPaint [it have a good zoom window].

A basic icon draw tool like the 3.9 tool is good, with advanced
Image loading possibilitis and Icon converting [newicon/oldicons/
glowicons/PNG{Dual}-Icons to OS4 icon format]

R-TEAM

Hi,

@klesterjr

sorry to say this .. but you have spend time in a dead horse
on OS4 .. PNG was NOT and is NOT planed to be the icon standard
on THIS system ...
[on a other system it IS the icon standard ....]

So i am not surprised that it is dying ...

It was only a tollerated icon format.

R-TEAM

Hi,

i still [use] and prefer Turboprint as AmigaOS high-quality
print task !

As a new Linux version [V2] is just relased -> [only german text]
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Mit-Tu ... -drucken--/meldung/110626

So it my become a new high optimized AmigaOS version too ..

The quality is still superior, even in compare to windoows !

For the most user that only need text printing or low/mid-quality
color/photo printing free drivers a good solution ..
but for user that need high-quality prints, TP V2 match a new
top-line of quality on the Linux world, and so on Amiga too.

[dont like C.U.P.S. amd think his time running out, so i dont need to
jump on a death horse ..]

R-TEAM

Hi,

@ShInKurO

MUI -IS- bloated and nonsens as core GUI system !
Use Wildfire7.15 on 68060@66Mhz and CV64 and you see
HOW slow is a complex MUI-gui system compared to other
solutions !

Will we now go the M$ and Intel way ?
Use bloated SW only we have now more CPU power
to waste ???

For small aplikations i think the easy acces for programmers
to the MUI-GUI system is worth the more system usage.
But for complex programms or as core gui system you see my
statement above.
and -> this was my statement long time before MOS btw...
This have nothing in mind with MOS.

R-TEAM

Hi,

WOW - the only thing i realy missed from AW.net times
is now finaly here

Good work.

R-TEAM

Hi,

@Hans

well, it is your decision.

If i dont need Proffesional Color output i would
get GS or the HP printer drivers from Aminet to
print text and simple color papers ...

But if you need very good quality then NO WAY without
TP .....

IMHO the core is assembler [and partialy PPC code (WOS) ]
The drivers assembler.

But with the sources this is not a big task, the basical writen
from the driver and making a good color translation table is the
way more time expansive task.

R-TEAM

Hi,

@Hans

yes TP is not cheap ...[like all Amiga things *GG* ]
BUT it is worth all cents you give

I have it with an HP DeskJet5652 and the results
are "Magical" for an non mainstream OS

The results most times way better as with M$ !

Like a very good Photo it looks [with shiny Paper and 6 color print]

I hope, if OS4 get available HW again the development
start again ....

The drivers very good and it was a shame to waste him ...

R-TEAM

Hi,

@afxgroup

i know OWB is not high-optimized like FF3 [or even FF2]
but many user complayn why it use much RAM and run with problems
on classic systems with 128MB ram .......

[and the same user wish mozilla/FF then for his system and dont
know that with 128MB today you are on the bad side ...]

It was not comparing OWB with FF

R-TEAM

Hi,

This is for the user that think OWB need to much RAM and dont
know the World outside the Amiga Universe

The infos are from an aticle on the germen news-site www.Heise.de.
Message Nr. 105002

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Mozill ... irefox-3--/meldung/105002

The essence say:

The Mozzila developer Happy to anounce the New Firefox3 beta4 that show,
she need after an extensive testing only ~220MB RAM in usage and after quiting
the browser he give all RAM free - except ~90MB ---*LOL*
The Firefox2 need under usage ~280MB RAM and give all Free - except ~190MB ..........

The actual IE need at start ~300MB and going under usage to ~500MB and
give not one free after quiting .....

This the "modern" Browser ...
I think we can VERY happy with the RAM usage of OWB !

R-TEAM

Hi,

@Atheist

YES - you have my fears brought on the point! ;)

And it is even if it it does not buy , if he wait then for NATAMI
and dont buy an OS4 computer [SAM or other] the drawback
for OS4 is impact.

Maybe i see this to "Dark" and only a handfull of people will
wait for NATAMI .... [but i dont think so]

R-TEAM

Hi,

@Fransexy
@orgin

I know the SoI he,he...
My example was to clarify that this site with the most OS4 users
and user that are Pro-OS4 are the best place to discuse such a thing.
On a troll site or a Retro site it is to much Emotions in it ..
But i think i have false thinking ...

@LiveForIt
@Fransexy

Please point me the benefit that OS4 and the Future development
of OS4 and OS4 HW become from this project ?

A 68060/100Mhz board with 16MB GFX RAM and an light expanded AGA custom-chip-set
with the maybe possibility to expand it later with an PPC-Co-CPU card ..
Mhhhh .. i think this i know everywhere ... but only with 060/50
and 2MB GFX RAM and Orginal AGA .. YES .. this is the Future.

The point for me between the Minnimig/A-Clone and the NATAMI is,
the NATAMI IS applied as the new Amiga <TM> !

The Clone-A/minnimig as replacement for the old classic machines.

And if this board come real or not ..
If in next time the SAM available, many user will wait, if the NATAMI come
and IF he come buy HIM and not the SAM [or any other modern Amiga]

So you stuck at the end with more 68k user with custom-chips [to low-level
custom-chips for today] or with many user in wait-state [the same as
with the AOne .. wait-wait--ups..no more available]

R-TEAM

Hi,

@orgin

please excuse me .. but this site here is focused on OS4,
and so i think the best place do discuse of the drawback
off a project that make a Hype for a new 68k/custum-chip
based Amiga.

On AW.net it is useless to post - to many trolls from any fraction [MOS/AROS/Purely-Anti-OS4....]
On a retro site it is useless to - the Fans are in trance by the
picture that the "New Amiga" is bringing for the Future.
[usage of all good old 68k apps with full HW access into all eternity..
who need this crap new HW board with no Amiga in it ...]

@number6

do not underestimate the block of the "Only a Amiga with custom-chips
is a Amiga" Amiga user ...
particularly with the possibility to update this board in the future
with an PPC card and so this user-group is grown by the user that
like OS4 but would like custom-chips or any thing "Amiga Spezialized"
on the Board.
Even is the PPC-Card never relased.

My Main point was that the idea of a enhanced AGA chipset is not Bad at all,
but with this way it brings nothing to the Future of OS4 and so
is only a drawback for Amiga.

R-TEAM

Hi,

@orgin

he,he ... you see it as a retro machine ..
I see it too as a retro machine ..
BUT ->

On Amigaworld.net and other sites it is handled as the "New Amiga".

I see the problem from the bussinies view ...

It was say it is more powerfull than even an AOne [even is this
sayd that thas is going only for the "Voxel Engine", the statement have
become a "flying Word" ] ....
It was sayd it iss full compatible to old apps and can maybe later
expanded with an PPC card to run OS4...

So it was purely statet it IS the NEW Amiga.

Many user will then buy this and bring so the market for modern PPC based
systems more down.

This will massiv hurt the development of modern HW is the big mass of user
buy 68k systems ... Even block the developing of new OS4 PPC nativ SW.

So -> for me it is an try to change the way of the Future from Amiga to
more 68k and custom-chips than to modern systems.

R-TEAM

Hi,

@orgin

I think the clone-A is another thing ;)

HAM was used because the limmited of the chipset.
With only 8bit deep it was a good solution to display
more colors - with the drawback of more system resources
needed.

Today "NO ONE" need it more :P
It is not smaler in size of the Files -> JPG IS smaler by better quality, amd i speak NOT from JPG2000 ...
It have only ~250.000 colors, with the typical HAM restrictions.
The HAM Anims WAY larger than WAY better mpg anims .. dont speak over DivX or h264 ...
The only point is -> it stay in GFX memory only as 8bit ...

But say it with the words of Rogue:
"Let's face it, today's cell phones usually have more CPU power and faster video access than the average classic Amiga"

And have all min. 12bit color screen [most 24bit].
And enough GFX memory for 24bit Images ..

So today no one need HAM on new HW.
The HAM emu layer in OS4 is enough.No [imho] game use HAM too.

I dont say drop HAM .. but it is not needed more and bring nothing.
You can draw today with 24bit GFX prg .. why should i going step
back to HAM ?

Planar 64bit -> hold and manipulate 2 24bit images at planar base in memory
without CPU usage.[genlocking maybe]
No one said that a 8bit palette IS the max !
You can use a 16bit palette and doing all the thing that only on
palette based usage are possible.FOR this the new develop of apps in a modern
system with OS4 will not a Waste of time !

And this is the same with an good super-fast Copper.Develope new OS4 software for
a system with unique possibilitiy are a good start for a "New Amiga".

But for a system with 8bit planar .. who need this today.
With an AOne it is more/higher resolution and way more GFX memory available as with
this thing.And i have 16bit sound and way more powerfull 3D Chip
as the NATAMI ever will .. and this is realy NOT today HighEnd HW ...

The SuperAGA concept have nice ideas .. but only pointet to the limmited of
doing old stuff faster .. but not better and loking in the Future..

Better make a synergy of the actual 3D HW and the good-old amiga custom cipset
possibilitys.Dont try to compete with even old GFX cards ...


R-TEAM

Hi,

@orgin

"Retro-Style" is for me the minnimig or Clone-A.

This let you use the old things on real HW without Emulation
on new boards that run nice.

NATAMI is the [imho bad] try to expand the classic system
components.
But ->
No one need HAM/8bit-Planar/16bit-Audio today.
And ->
No classic software [or the OS] use SuperAGA.
So for me a waste of time.
It is not half and not full [i hope you understand this ;) ]

Look at the C64 scene .. it have modern HW with more RAM,faster
CPU and more storage capacity [MMC] .. but [IMHO] the chipset
is the same [GFX resolution/audio] - it have other Audio
chips but with the same funktion,only better sound.

16bit sound support not one classic prg.
SuperAGA the same.

For the classic prg. i need it not.
And for modern usage it is outdated.

I think too that it is even today room for copper and nice blitter
usage, but at a aceptable level and not with ->
classic is 15 Year behind Today
Natami is only 10 Years behind ....

R-TEAM

Hi,

@orgin

to Slow [060 - even at 200Mhz] !
NOT HDTV res compatible .. who need today a new Board with PAL/NTSC ??
Who need HAM today ???
The same goes to 16bit samples ....
And 8 bit planar .... [but this is not sooo bad ;) ]
Genlock is nice .. but still PAL/NTSC.Outdated!
Copper is NICE!
Blitter ..? All GFX cards have this today...but->
The 2D blitter specs nice.
3D -> ? .. comparing to a TNT2 or what ?

I would see ->

A PCI or ather Exp. card with REAL enhancements TODAY :

HDTV Res minnimum !
24/32 bit planar
HDR support !
64bit Truecolor
Copper in full 64bit colordeep.
Blitter 256bit or 512bit bus.
NO 3D [this is better with today GFX cards]
NO Floppy controler [very outdated and only expansiv]

This would give a good "second level" GFX enhanchement to
AmigaOS.

Let this card act as a slave to the Main GFX card and doing this
stuff that today GFX cards cant/or only bad doing.

Please dont try to catch even old 3D PC cards ...

R-TEAM

Hi,

@AmiKit

this thread should go to "Silly and Magical Journey Capter IIV"
an is a waste of time

R-TEAM

Hi,

@Rogue

ohhh,Warzone is not the worst RTS Game i know ;)
But [for me] even far away from best ...

I would prefer Homeworld, the Ultimate 3D RTS ;)

[and for Tank war -> JTCS The Ultimat War Battle Game]

R-TEAM

Hi,

Not a Game who is worth the Time .... ;)
Better Porting Homeworld :P

R-TEAM

Hi,

@VooDoo

it is not intelligent to format MemorySticks
[or otherdevices with something similar RAM] with
anything else than FAT32 !

To bring the life cyclus of the flash-memory to a
good rate [the problem is the write procces] it
implement a algoritmh to switch as much cells as
possible by writing, so not the same cell is writen
every time and die final.
[this program is in the stick logic and the user dont
notice this]
This is only tested/optimized for FAT32 file system!

R-TEAM