@K-L

I curious question and no real relation to the sam 440 gpu / stuttering issue I had.

Has anyone on here decided to push their sam 440 CPUs to go higher than 800mhz to be similar to the 460 (which actually uses a 440 cpu) performance wise?

On discord it seems no one has really been ballsy enough in case they ruin their expensive Amiga toy.

Cheers

@nbache

Yeah righto, again, I will find out I suppose, either way, I did notice that once I changed priority there was an improvement, but it is still best when in iconify mode or simply quit out of it.

I usually do iconify as the whole point was to have ability to look at the clock

The two others I found on the intranet one of them think was called flipclock, but unfortunately the whether thing didnt want to work for me

And forget the other one, but I believe it was only for the docky.

@pjs

Thank you, I'll take a look at it, and see if its better...

At the moment everytime workbench had started I simply was iconifying the current limpid clock when not in use, which kind of voids the point

Cheers

EDIT

Just checked the one I have is 1.17, so 1.18 may be better, despite being in beta. Time will tell

@K-L

I tried the gles, also didnt work, I suspect it is 100% the 5450, as I do recall originally the system had a 9250, and it ran EVERYTHING that was coming out at the time.

this 5450 wont even run some of the older things that I remember working clear as day....

But I am ok with it, I'm older now and my 12 core does many things.....

It just would be nice to have some of the older software and games working again, so I am really looking forward to making this a reality by useage of the r7 240 or the 7770 gpu...

WORSE CASE scenario I backtrack back to the 9250 on this particular system just to test some things.

Thank you for the information, I will refer back to this thread with what I have read from you and sailor and others as future reference to video.

@sailor

May have been a mis type from you, 460 flex? So you meant 440 flex novebridge also works with it I presume, which is nice to know.

Meanwhile, mini gl should also work again for me once I have the r7 240 or 7770 card being utilised with the system, (Smoking Guns here we come)

As for nova bridge, how much uses nove bridge versus the old Mini gl?

Most of the things I have tend to be asking me for mini gl, or unable to open no mini gl support, stuff like that.

AWESOME FACT :

I did a saturday night silly, managed to get with ease 4 music videos playing at once using Mick JT MPlayer
I could have probably even gone a 5th one, but meh, I was proud enough for the 800mhz single core Amiga

Emotion (demo version) only managed 3 videos, same codec each video btw

DVPlayer only got me 2

So then I wonder, why more people arent doing these silly testing on the newer Amigas and chucking up youtube videos and or showing what may be plausible?

I Mean I for one wouldnt mind seeing comparison videos between the modern gen systems, inclusive of work arounds for the lesser systems, such as Mplayer for the 800mhz while the 1.8ghz x1000 uses emotion to show off?

Stuff like this could be interesting.

@geennaam

Very nice link

it states :
Oland chipsets require the newer RadeonHD drivers (v1.20, v2.21 or v3.6) exclusively available from the Enhancer Software Standard Edition, Plus Edition or Enhancer Software Graphics Driver Upgrade respectively.

So :
When I read this I feel pretty confident that the current driver I have will work with the R7 240 as well as the 7770 that are now sitting idle over here.

Mini GL should be supported as well perhaps with both.

Meanwhile warp 3d wise, in my libs drawer I see it in its own warp3d drawer, I even have a few at W3D_Radeon.Library is one, and then there are some others with different names in there, but also with W3D infront of them, I presume this is ok?

Also have a couple outside drawer? Warp3d and Warp3dppc libraries.

@sailor

Yeah so in the end that does not mean something less than 460 isnt supported, maybe they got lazy and just assumed people would be aware due to the close architecutre of the CPUs and hardware that it will work with 440, 460, 480 or even a 420... LOL, have no idea what other PPC AMC models are out there in the world that arent amiga platform related but yep....

If you could test if it works on your sam440, that would indeed be a grand gesture.

Cheers

P.S. Thank you for the answer on the GPUs, I thought forums were also there to try and allow people to save time because other people have the knowledge??

I mean it took you a few minutes to write, it might take someone a few hours to read an article if its a big one... I should click on the link when Im not on my amiga next due to being unaware if it Amiga browser safe lol.

@sailor

Ok well, to be fair then, in that case I am very surprised the 5450 works so well with my sam440 flex with just an adapter that isnt powered.

Would also explain why the r7 240 may have been struggling to keep a constant fan speed and why there was no display on screen

By golly gosh I can type fast right now on the sam without slow down since our little minor tune up. :D

I feel like creating a threat as well as chatting on discord has paid Dividence for my sam flex to become very very useable....

Im listing to music video now though with no dramas since our little fix while typing fast here??? Not sure how its doing it then if theres no decoder?
Or is Mpeg a different ball game?

Either way quiet happy.

OK so lets TALK SHOP :

You're effectively saying the Radeon HD driver version I have will work fine with the R7 240 GPU, but judging by my experience and your analysis in your comment section its a simple case of the R7 240 most likely not getting enough power?

ALSO

That doesnt explain the 9250 issue, as in that case that should have displayed perfectly fine even with a hdmi to dvi converter on the GPU end, while HDMI plugged into my monitor?

AND

AFAIK 9250 did support mini gl and 3d support? I vaguely remember being surprised how many things were running back in the day on this system on its old HDD (before the fail, lost a lot of unique and odd programs)

Either way while writing this via the sam flex, I am impressed this entire reply only has taken me 5 minutes or less to write...

Before the fix this would have felt like a CHORE literally, atleast double time or so.....

:D Im REALLY happy guys atm with the performance having come back...

As for 3d part, a lot of games like shogo still work though despite not having mini gl or 3d support via the 5450???

Cheers and that's a lot of useful info.... Damn 6 minutes in now haha

@sailor

I see your confusion, I dont own a sam460

I have here a sam flex 440 here which yes is at 133 but also at 80 for pci I believe.

Meanwhile what GPU cards should work with the Radeon HD driver v3.6?

I thought 9250, 7770, 5450 obviously does and the r7 240 should all be working with the system?

I just tried new card to no avail and am assuming both the 7770 which Ive had for ages and the r7 240 simply need more power than what current adapter gives.

But with no adapter needed my 9250 should have still worked, but after testing nothing was showing up.

Mind you my new monitor needs to go from hdmi, to hdmi / dvi adapter.....wondering if this causes issues in Amiga land for GPUs in regards to showing a display?

Cheers

@Hypex

Well for fun just tried video perfomance again in compositing, and my system is better in regards to the cpu doesnt jump to 100% but 90% or so when vivdly moving things around.

Perhaps all along my main issues were :

1 - kickstart

in regards to the Radeon HD Chip debug, which should have read Radeon HD Chip

2 - LIMPID CLOCK program

By changing the priority helps, but iconify or closing completely absolutely helps

P.S. I tried my new R7 240 GPU, didnt quiet work, so then I tried my 9250, also didnt work??? WTF

So for now Im back to the 5450 as I sit here in confusion to why the 9250 doesnt wish to work.

Might test the 9250 again another day, but for today Ive waste enough time and have bought a different adapter that will be powered, to help get more power to the GPU

SINCE I will have that adapter, I may even end up using the 7770, but again, does this card also not support 3d or mini gl?

@ ALL

Thank you very kindly for all the help thus far, GREATLY and IMMENSELY appreciated, makes me PROUD to see there are still Amiga people not just bashing a system and just accepting life and current situation in amiga land for what it is.

@m3x

Yes correct I have only the 45$ or whatever it was at the time back then version, goes directly from PCi to PCIe to 5450, someone else suggested that they are impressed my system runs, as he gave some technicals with his answer

He mentioned 5v, plus 12v, still isnt 19.1v, which is apparently the max out requirement of the 5450 for power to run it.

I think he also mentioned a possible alternative solution should my upcoming r7 240 not work with my current adapter, which is to power the adapter slot seperately, but that would require me to the purchase ofcourse a secondary adapter where the card would then sit into, a usb goes in the new adapter, and a mini pci goes into the board I think is what I saw from that picture.

Thank you for the link, will suss it out and decide if I do or do not go ahead with it, as they say, if it aint broke dont fix it, and technically I can now run almost all the games and software I have ont he system currently without stutter so, this is a HUGE bonus for me.

I am still wonderig if I should consider at some point a more powerful Amiga PPC version but alas, it seems development and everything else has been kind of slow due to Hyperions dilema yet again, which has only recently been resolved I heard from a friend.

If so, how much of an improvement would the sam460le be from Acube, I think this is only a 1.10ghz board, not that much higher than my 800mhz, almost makes me wonder if it might be worth saving up for the bigger sister x5000?

Any other motherboard or even second hand options that could be suggested I would welcome and gladly look into.

@sailor

I would like to believe you, but the lowest the program gives me is 800 160 80

so, perhaps the earlier boards had higher rates?

But it has always been stable running generally speaking, and only programs can ofcourse at times make it freeze after pushing kill.....

If I compare it to my friends xe1 or x1000, both of his crash far more reguarlarly when even trying to run programs, which I dont understand with his x1000 being vastly superior CPU core, with a nice hot rx 580 by memory, lol.

Either way, I had tried ages ago to over clock it higher when I noticed the stuttering actually haha, but then it auto reset to this setting for me.

According to someone on discord what I am running was considered the standard.

Moving on Im typing here and playing mpeg video with the InFamous and LEGEND of a human Mick JT, without that person I'd not even be able to enjoy video on such a lower tier system Id imagine.

System when I iconify Limpid Clock runs at 44 - 48% when Mpeg player running and now typing to you, so I am indeed VERY VERY HAPPY versus what I was experiencing which is even stutter in the sound and video at the time.

On discord they mentioned Limpid Clock has been known to cause problems for some Amigans and their systems.

I did find a work around via making its priority less as forementioned I believe. Set it to -4

But if I want ULTIMATE performance I can simply Iconify the Limpid Clock.

Thank you for your help though with the compositing to performance

Once my R7 240 arrives, should I assume I could change the composite back to video instead to save further CPU or do I keep it on performance?

Thanking you kindly.

P.S. I suspect another user after you has answered that it could be my 5450 causing the slow dragging.

@Hypex

I have found another issue or two to deal with still.

Im thankful I can now run shogo smoothly, and most games seem to be far smoother to play fromt he quick testing I have done.

PROBLEM : Dragging open drawer windows, so when you go into the bottom right corner to drag a window to make it bigger or smaller, it is SUPER slow

what could be causing this?

Also happy to announce during typing now my cpu only fluctuates between 6% to 30% instead of 30 to 70% like before, so clearly some things and issues have already been somewhat dealt with.

Can anyone suggest how to resolve this next issue, as I understand if the dragging is slow on Odyssey browser, but surely not on workbench window, or any other drawer ive opened window that only has icons within it of other drawers and stuff?

even when I go to list view, so Amiga 2, it is also slow to drag a window to resize it.

Cheers

@sailor

In addition, just noticed one can change the Limpid Clocks priority, which also helps a lot, so I have choice now, leave it as it is with the knowledge to iconify it for big tasks

get rid of Limpid clock and find another clock for workbench

I also have the other thing of trying to work out what the maximum anyone has clocked the sam flex to?

Atm as I said my flex is running at 800mhz, but there are different clocks to choose from via the hyperclock

Can people please let me know what they have set their hyperclock to, and what timings?

mines at 800mhz - fsb -133 - pci 133

is this considered acceptable or a bad timing?

Thank you again

@Capehill

I usually have whisky though haha.

But yes when I get a chance, as family visitors coming over shortly, I will try this tequila program, not sure what it does, but hopefully it has a read me

@sailor

I dont believe it myself but, I turned on performance and only slight difference was noticed at first, but for some reason it closed my limpd clock, and a HUGE difference was noticed.

So then I made my limpid clock iconify, and went straight into game shogo, the stuttering is gone...

then back to workbench aka desktop environment, moving my windows around from opened drawers no stutte...

HOWEVER

I still clearly have issues, as my CPUinfo states 70% cpu useage during this, and you were stating your sam flex sits at a comfortable 7% during that process.

Either way this is a HUGE improvement, albeit, Im going to have to iconify the limpid clock when wanting to do things, why is this the case?

Also of note, can you do me a favour and install limpid clock and have it in your wb startup, just to see if you also have same issue with that program running?

Thank you very kindly.

Meanwhile yes, the composite was set to video not performace, changing this alone to performance also made a difference.

It seems however my issues are still underlying then? As I do not wish to believe some simple program like limpid clock can practically stall a machine running at 800mhz????

Cheers

Hallo to all, and thank you in advance if anyone has suggestions what I could try to resolve this current issue.

So, I seem to be experiencing stutering, an example would be, you open up a drawer, and then go to drag the window around, now, no matter the size of the window, even when it is small, it stutters the movement.

It is not constant but I did not have this before, so I am confused why I have it now.

At first I noticed it in a game, think it was shogo by memory, but I thought it was just due to the CPU being at 100 percent useage during the game play, and tbh, the stutter in game did feel more FPS related potentially.

It was onyl after closing the game that I then started testing only to find to my shock horror it is happening within workbench as well, even when the CPU sits around 30 to 50%, depending on task I am doing. (JUST retested, seems to go right up to 78% but still, that means it shouldnt be stuttering)

Like right now my CPU just typing seems to be fluctuating also between 23 to 40%, which also doesnt make sense to me, as all Im doing is typing?

Could it be a Library needs updating, and if so, how do I find out which one?

Could it be my GPU, it is a 5450 Radeon HD (Mind you I am expecting a radeon HD r7 240 to arrive sometimes this week as my upgrade for my modern gen (classic now) machine.

Another thought I had, was cooling, but recently Ive installed a nice big 120mm Noctua fan blowing cool air directly onto the passive cooling onto the CPU, which has made a difference for some programs running at the time before I noticed this issue BTW.

Lastly I do have composite on, but don't recall that being an issue before.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Or if this topic has actually been dealt with before, as I did a search, please refer me to that thread.

With Kindest Regards

Fellow Amiga User

@Hypex

Haha, so when the Tabor board comes out or that new notebook in the pipeline from Acube, we still can only use a single core? instead of dual or was the notebook planned quad core?

mmmm, seems expensive to support an x5020 / x5040 then if one can only use a single core, haha. :P I see what you did there with the 5010, haha, you are one funny fella.

@amiganuts

I am starting to see a clearer picture here.

As for the sam 460 le with performance, obviously the x5000 will out perform it CPU wise.

I'd be more curious does the sam 460 le play youtube videos straight from the browser, or is one still in need to use AmiTube with it?

Obviously I saw Kasle youtube video, he had two emotion's playing at once, my sam flex hates emotion player as the audio stutters...

But the sam flex I have DV player audio perfect, same with Mick JT mplayer, I can run upto 3 videos with Mick JT mplayer at once.

Basically yes, there might be slight skipping in video but AUDIO plays perfectly, and thats kind of whats more important in an under powered machine as nobody likes crappy audio, but anybody can handle a video frame skip, as these are music videos Im talking aobut, theyre running in the background when Im using other software, so technically I could just use Amiga Amp mp3 player instead sure, but Im making a point here.

QUESTION 1 :

Does your sam 460 le play youtube directly from browser (is it capable?)

QUESTION 2 :

How does AmiCygnix perform on it? is it slow and really laggy or is it improved with those extra 350mhz (im running 800mhz your'e probably at 1.15ghz?)

QUESTION 3 :

How do the QT Programs run on it?

Naturally all the above will run easily I'd suspect on the x5000 with that 2.4ghz cpu, I say naturally as my old powerbook g4 with 1.56ghz cpu can run youtube in the odyssey browser (or is it wayfarer now forget?)

Thank you for your time.