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Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Where should Mixer drawer install/copy on next update?
(via AmiUpdate Autoinstall)

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Mmm i vote for: "SYS:Utilities/Commodities/Mixer" because it seems its standard default path, but maybe the right place should be under "SYS:Utilities/"

A question for the OS4 devs i think

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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You shouldn't care about where to install Mixer by default.

Let the user decide where to put it.

1) WBStartup will pick it up, if correctly set up
2) AmiDock will pick it up, if correctly installed

What if you let AmiUpdate install Mixer to let's say Sys:Utilities/Commodities, but there are users that don't want it to be there and have it installed in i.e. Tools:Audio/Utilities/?
How will AmiUpdate cope with that, will it simply move the files to Sys:Utilities? (Believe me i wouldn't want that to happen)

Are you willing to change the default path with every new release or every new user who starts pointing out a new "I like this better, change it" path?

Please don't put it somewhere default it will only produce problems, plus it will make maintenace for you more difficult.

Mixer is a third party product and should live in it's own directoy whereever the user wants it to live...it will make life a lot easier for you too

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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@Raziel

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Let the user decide where to put it.

Of course, but:

1. The installer should still provide a default path. Specifically, the Novice mode is meant to perform all installation operations without user intervention - so a meaningful default is rather important here.
2. If Mixer has been installed before, there will be a Mixer env-variable in AppDir, which (if found) should be selected as the default path.

So all in all, an opinion that "You shouldn't care about where to install Mixer by default" doesn't really hold good.

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Ok, now what Autoninstaller does is:

1)Via APPDIR:Mixer finds its destination/path.
2)If NO mixer drawer, create it in destination and copy OLD mixer data in new drawer.
3)Update Mixer.

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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trixie wrote:
@Raziel

Quote:

Let the user decide where to put it.

Of course, but:

1. The installer should still provide a default path. Specifically, the Novice mode is meant to perform all installation operations without user intervention - so a meaningful default is rather important here.
2. If Mixer has been installed before, there will be a Mixer env-variable in AppDir, which (if found) should be selected as the default path.

So all in all, an opinion that "You shouldn't care about where to install Mixer by default" doesn't really hold good.


True, but Mixer doesn't have an installer (yet)

Talk is about the autoinstall script from the amiupdate part of Mixer...
If that is changed to install a formerly perfect installation to a "default" path it will mess up the installation for a lot of users

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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jabirulo wrote:
Ok, now what Autoninstaller does is:

1)Via APPDIR:Mixer finds its destination/path.
2)If NO mixer drawer, create it in destination and copy OLD mixer data in new drawer.
3)Update Mixer.


That is exactly what i meant.

I had Mixer solely copied to Sys:Utilities and forgot it there (because i can't use it)...AmiUpdated created a drawer there, moved Mixer in it, copied all the missing files, like AREXX drawer and readmes...

After that AmiDock and WBStartup complained about a file not found.
...and i had a second installment of Mixer in Sys:Utilities, while my original installment was still in Tools:Audio/Mixer

That shouldn't happen

...see?
You can't cover all the different user installations, so i'll propose you tell everyone to keep the Mixer dir intact, this way it is pretty easy for you to update through amiupdate.

There is no need to move Mixer out of it's drawer anyway...every other program will find it if set up correctly


But maybe i'm missing the point here and Amiupdate CAN cover all those possibilities

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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AmiUpdate searchs for 'APPDIR:Mixer' and then updates that path, if you have other (more than one) installations it depends where APPDIR:Mixer points.
APPDIR:Mixer points to the last path you run Mixer exec.

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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SYS:System

Note 1: I don't care personally, as I install everything manually. Mine is just a suggestion in the context of the next note.

Note 2: I'd merge System, Tools and Utilities into Tools, but the Workbench (and maybe other parts of the OS?) has SYS:System hardcoded in a few places, so I keep everything in SYS:System. SYS:System is quite weird, as it basically means "system system".
I've already proposed a cleanup of the OS tree years ago, but it went unheard.

Note 3: I already know this will go unheard as well

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Quote:
saimo wrote:

Note 2: I'd merge System, Tools and Utilities into Tools, but the Workbench (and maybe other parts of the OS?) has SYS:System hardcoded in a few places, so I keep everything in SYS:System. SYS:System is quite weird, as it basically means "system system".
I've already proposed a cleanup of the OS tree years ago, but it went unheard.
Well, I don't know about that ... the Tools drawer has already been nuked several years ago, so at least something was done.

Best regards,

Niels

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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nbache wrote:
Quote:
saimo wrote:

Note 2: I'd merge System, Tools and Utilities into Tools, but the Workbench (and maybe other parts of the OS?) has SYS:System hardcoded in a few places, so I keep everything in SYS:System. SYS:System is quite weird, as it basically means "system system".
I've already proposed a cleanup of the OS tree years ago, but it went unheard.
Well, I don't know about that ... the Tools drawer has already been nuked several years ago, so at least something was done.


Ah, yes, you're perfectly right! The change was included in one of the updates following my suggestion (but I don't know if it was actually thanks to my suggestion) and I appreciated it, although the drawer that got killed was precisely the one that should have been kept.
I had forgotten about this because, as said, I use just System anyway.

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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Please can you stop the updater overwriting the Mixer.info file, I have to keep resetting my tooltypes and there should be no need for this.

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Re: Mixer V1.36 (upcoming update)
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OK, noted for next versions.

BTW noticed I'm using COPY instead of COPYSTORE so (forget to [un]comment such lines), Amiupdate Rollback feature isn't available

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