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Questions about Troika hardware
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@RomanceClip

Lets start with this from the Troika Site:

The Panda Project

(i have made a smaller picture here: Panda (smaller picture))

Now, start your questions, i am sure some people will
jump in here to help to explain what it's all about.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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I'm still confused.

I went to the Troika World Wide Web site and found some information on something called Amy.

Yet your link is about a card called Pandy - it's not like any card I've ever seen before. What has this got to do with AmigaNG and if so, are Amiga Inc going to license it?

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Heck its hardly rocket science man

Sit back, relax, take a chill pill

The Amy'05 was the first card out of the Troika stable, it has been designed by them from the ground up and is meant to be a lower cost solution.

The Panda card is made by someone else (forget who) its of higher spec than the Amy'05 board and will cost more too.

Neither of them have been released just yet. As to the OS4 licensing, I don't know to be honest.

I don't think anyone but Troika does and they are keeping that close to their chest.


Edited by Mikey_C on 2006/12/6 22:08:34
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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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I'm still confused.


Some info here

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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I'm still confused.

Aren't we all.

OK, I'll give you some known public info. about Troika NG's projects. Keep in mind anything and everything can (and did already) change without notice.

The Amy'05 project (aka Prometheus) is being headed by a fellow named Ian Stedman. You can read up on him a bit at his web site if you wish. I had an old non-working prototype board (aka the show board) in my hands at AmiWest in October this year. Last we heard was that the actual product is expected to ship mid-2007.

The Panda project is based on UDTech's Home Media Center design. This board was on display at AmiWest as well and I was so happy with it, I took it home with me. I happen to be helping Troika out with some testing duties so I have one. The trouble with the HMC board is that it is a non-standard form factor and has some options Troika don't need for their target markets so it is being reworked before it can be sold to consumers. To the best of my knowledge there has been no further announcements regarding possible shipping dates.

There are some more details I didn't get into (e.g. what options are being removed from the Panda) but that is the gist of things as they are known to the public at this time.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Interesting.

So it looks like the Panda could be an AmigaOne v2.0

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I would like to see this card in a 'Big' Box and the Samamtha in a box like an A600 or A500. This would really give us a good choice of systems and we would all probably end up owning both anyway!

Was there any news on whether the OS4 people (Hyperion?) got a Panda board?

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Is that going to be the final form factor? I hope not as it looks like you'd need a special case... or no case at all.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Is that going to be the final form factor? I hope not as it looks like you'd need a special case... or no case at all.


from ssolie's post
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The trouble with the HMC board is that it is a non-standard form factor and has some options Troika don't need for their target markets so it is being reworked

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Neither of them have been released just yet. As to the OS4 licensing, I don't know to be honest.



Did Bill McEwen not say in the Amiga.org 25 questions that Troika "isn't one of them" meaning not one of the companies eligable for a license

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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At that point it might have been true, but I've long since stopped even thinking that any major interview with those guys should be used as a credible factual source.

I'm sorry if that winds some people up a little, but the Troika kit looks the most interesting.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Eyetech still has a licence.

Maybe Alan Redhouse could be used to get around the issue somehow.

Two solutions that are complete speculation on my part are:-

He could sell troika boards as an AmigaOne, with out any questions asked.

There could even be shift of assets, by eyetech selling the company and licence to troika for a £1. If alan is no longer trading under eyetech.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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by MiKE2006 on 2006/12/7 5:34:52

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Did Bill McEwen not say in the Amiga.org 25 questions that Troika "isn't one of them" meaning not one of the companies eligable for a license


Possibly Bill was refering to the Amy and didn't know about the Panda at that time...

Anyway that was at that time. The situation can and will change.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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You can read what you like into "Troika isn't one of them". Some legitimate meanings:

1) Troika is not among them (none of them);
2) Troika is not one of them (but IS the other);
3) Troika is both of them (two models).

In any case, that was said many months ago and may have changed.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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I hope we can see the panda board soon.
It doesn't work:
http://www.troikang.com/about.html

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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This thread is a very interesting read and helped me a lot in finding information about the new Amy-Amiga from Troika-company. It is great to have different options for new NG Amiga computers to buy.
Are there some representatives of this company who might read this thread? It might help them at repairing their broken website.
I could not find any information on the Panda-Amiga computer on the Troika website. Does this company host information on this other project somewhere else? Thank you!

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Sister_Rita wrote:
It might help them at repairing their broken website.


Maybe they are off on Holiday Sister, or just doing a website upgrade?

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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Our speculation: A few years ago, the Eyetech company were producing the AmigaOne computers under the license from Amiga Inc. Eyetech does not produce any Amiga computers any more, however they still have the license. We know that Guru Meditation is in contact with Eyetech so it might happen that they will acquire the license from them. It would mean that Guru Meditation does not necessarily need to negotiate with Amiga Inc. which could save a lot of time.


Source: http://www.amikit.amiga.sk/panda.htm

Can a license be sold to another company without the agreement from Amiga Inc.?

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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The question asked if Amiga was in discussions with any companies about licensing for OS4 capable hardware. Bill Mcewen mentioned that they were currently in talks with 3 companies and Troika was not one of them.

I would take that to mean that Amiga Inc and Troika were not in talks about hardware at that time.
It was later mentioned at Amiwest that a UDtech HMC board (Panda) had been sent to Hyperion. I would think that Troika are at least in talks with Amiga for this to happen.

A note about Panda
Troika said on amigaworld that they used Panda as the overall name for that project.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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torgem wrote:

Can a license be sold to another company without the agreement from Amiga Inc.?


It's not so much whether the licence can be transferred, but whether that licence would be valid for any hardware other than Mai Teron derived hardware.

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Re: Questions about Troika hardware
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In any case, it depends entirely on the written agreement that was signed back in 2003(?) by Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. We do not know what was in it, except that a draft was leaked. We don't know how closely the actual document resembles the draft.

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