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IBrowse Development ?
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Hi

I'd like to know how does the development is going on and that if we could have good news this year

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@nubechecorre

I was actually thinking the same the other day. OWB is great, but too slow on my Classic OS4 .. and need too much memory.. Would be nice is Ibrowse could take one step further and include f.i. CSS and other stuff..

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Alkaron

Yes hope for good news

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@nubechecorre

Sadly Nube the IBrowse development seems very very slow, a lot of bugs fix/features needs to be implemented, AFAIK the counter on the website say 603 to 946 (don't remember the real numbers sorry) not a lot since Dicember 2006

So imho would be better to wait progress on the OWB side or atleast on Sputnik.

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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No offense meant to all the hard hard working developers, but seems we have a glut of web browsers, when we need flash and java extentions.

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Atheist

Quote:

Atheist wrote:
No offense meant to all the hard hard working developers, but seems we have a glut of web browsers, when we need flash and java extentions.

Work is going on behind the scenes to bring IBrowse users a better and more stable flash plugin. I somehow doubt we will ever see a flash plugin (or standalone player) on the Amiga as up to date as Adobe's latest version though .

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Futaura

Gnash seems to be progressing quite well these days. Still has a long way to go though. But in combination with ffmpeg it should apparently handle youtube quite well atleast.

Too bad there's no public SDK for IBrowse plugins

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@AmiDog

Anybody with a serious interest in developing a plugin for IBrowse is welcome to contact me - although there is no SDK yet, the current flash plugin source code is available to those interested and we have set up a mailing list to help support plugin developers (a substitute for the docs, at the moment).

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Futaura

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Futaura wrote:
@AmiDog

Anybody with a serious interest in developing a plugin for IBrowse is welcome to contact me - although there is no SDK yet, the current flash plugin source code is available to those interested and we have set up a mailing list to help support plugin developers (a substitute for the docs, at the moment).


I hope that someone takes you up on that offer, as Flash and Java applets are still important to have. More and more sites depend on flash, and it's not all annoying advertisements either.

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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How about trying to use that gnu java thing?
Wasnt sun to open source java?

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@mike

They already did!

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@Raziel

Well thats one obstacle down the drain. Is there anyone currently working on a port then?

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@mike

What many seems to not understand is that the major obstacle to have a fully functionnal Java on Amiga is not the JVM itself (we already had many of them in the whole history of AmigaOS) but the it's the huge number of classes that comes with the language and that needs to be ported to Amiga (and more specifically all the GFX things) that was always the problem and will continue to be until someone with a huge (and I mean HUGE) amount of time, patience and knowledge decides to port it.

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@abalaban

True. The most recent attempt is JAmiga. It has rudimentary AWT support, but the project is currently on ice. I think that the biggest barrier is that, every time discussion of getting Java on the Amiga comes up, a whole group of people say stuff like:
- "it's bloated and un-Amiga-like and we shouldn't have it"
- "it's not that useful for the desktop"
- "it's only used for annoying little applets"
- "I don't want it on my Amiga"

Most of these aren't even true, but this attitude is holding people back too. It's similar with Flash. Despite more and more webpages using it for real content (not advertisements), according to some, we shouldn't have it.

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@Hans

One difference though with Flash : Java is (now) open source, fully documented and specified, this is not the case with Flash which is closed source, not publically documented nor publically specified.
So you have to do reverse engineering and even only if this is compatible with the EULA and your country laws...

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@abalaban

You can actually get the Flash documentation from Adobe. Unfortunately, in order to get it, you have to agree to a license that forbids creating a player. They only want to help people writing software to create content.

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Hans

But wouldn't they want to i.e. spread their software to
platforms they themself won't/can't support.

Maybe it would be a nice idea to kindly ask if they'd
license a player for say the Amiga derivates out there, so
one could get cracking with the real dev docs and without
being flamed on other Amiga platforms...

...and if Adobe wants money for the license, we could start
a bounty (if the demand is inside some boundaries)?

Brainstorming...

Maybe make it a lib (i think all Amiga "clones" can use libs?)

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@Raziel

Sounds like a good idea. But would require one/several smart persons. Seems like all the good coders are busy atm. :(

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Re: IBrowse Development ?
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@Raziel

Quote:

Raziel wrote:
@Hans

But wouldn't they want to i.e. spread their software to
platforms they themself won't/can't support.

Maybe it would be a nice idea to kindly ask if they'd
license a player for say the Amiga derivates out there, so
one could get cracking with the real dev docs and without
being flamed on other Amiga platforms...

...and if Adobe wants money for the license, we could start
a bounty (if the demand is inside some boundaries)?

Brainstorming...

Maybe make it a lib (i think all Amiga "clones" can use libs?)


That's not even necessary anymore as Adobe have just opened up the spec completely. They've removed the restrictions and anyone can download the documents.

Finding an Amiga developer with time to spare is going to be difficult though.

Hans

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